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kingmingus

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Sketchfu-ing since 01/20/2008 (user #21102)
95 drawings with 2901 total views
276 funny, 339 cute, and 345 impressive cheers

49, female, taken

NSW Australia

About kingmingus

I got introduced to this site by friends over at InkLink. I make no claims at being an artist but i do enjoy the occassional scribble. I'm hoping by watching the incredible talent here that i might pick up a few techniques through osmosis.
Ohh and....somehow i ended up with my email as my Name :\ Inklinkers will know me better as JayEL :D

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LATE wrote (8 days ago)
Hi ya kingming ... Thanks very much for your nice comments. I was wondering about you... ;-) L8*
StGeorgeOfEngland wrote (24 days ago)
Thanks so much SG. Calm down, I am over that butthead art teacher now. The demon has been slain and this SG is comfortable doing what I do. I am comfortable with my abilities and when the inspiration takes me, I shall draw. My next one is going to be at FG as part of a promise I made to somebody, all I will be waiting for then is for that somebody to fulfill their side of the bargain ;-)
I know you are very busy right now but it would be great to see something there.
Thanks for helping encourage me to draw again. It is very rewarding.
Your friend, SG. x
Dudemonyo wrote (27 days ago)
thanks for cheering my art!!!
red_world wrote (29 days ago)
Thanks for comment and cheers. That's encouraging.
LATE wrote (about 1 month ago)
;-)
LATE wrote (about 1 month ago)
Thank you kingmingEL ;-) L8*
red_world wrote (about 1 month ago)
Thanks for support. That means a lot for me.
ahhhhh. It was such a pain when it wasn't showing a thumbnail. I drew it before going to bed so I was so relieved when I got one.
Rogier wrote (about 1 month ago)
Thanks for being so supportive and for leaving those kind comments on my attempts to draw paintings of a masterpainter. I really appreciate it!
LATE wrote (about 1 month ago)
Thanks for being an encouraging source for me ;-) I appreciate all the cheers, recognition and the kind comments. L8*
MARLONSEPPALA wrote (about 1 month ago)
Awh it was something the guys I use to hang out with would say.
You could hear one of us say "Yes I do every alternate Thursday"
If we really did not know what time it would be happening. Kind of like how Sketchfu works on and off at times. It seems to work just fine every other Thursday.
Rustydog wrote (about 1 month ago)
Hey =) good to hear from you again. My absence hasn't been by choice... Hope you're doing well xoxox
MARLONSEPPALA wrote (2 months ago)
Yes I do every alternate Thursday.
Dudemonyo wrote (2 months ago)
Thanks for the cheers!!!!
Klaudz1997 wrote (2 months ago)
hi its Klaudz! Where is the tutorial thingy you told me about? I cant find it on your home page. please tell me where it is!
Klaudz1997 wrote (2 months ago)
It works now YIPPY! thnx 4 the help Thanks so so so sooooooooooo much
Klaudz1997 wrote (2 months ago)
Hi kingmingus!
The thing u told me didn't work... U know... The waterbrush thingy...
I wish it did please HELP!!!!!!!!!!
Klaudz1997 wrote (2 months ago)
cool u live in aust I DO TOO (S.A)
Klaudz1997 wrote (2 months ago)
How do u use the waterbrush too.... U know... the one that goes over stuff and changes its colour... TELL ME PLZ PLZ PLZ
Dudemonyo wrote (2 months ago)
Thanks for the cheers!!!!!
red_world wrote (2 months ago)
Thanks so much for comments and cheers.
SOFAKINGCOOOL wrote (3 months ago)
HI JayEl This is NorthernLight Thanks so much for the cheers! I haven't seen l8 up here to check out the etching yet soooo I am not holding my breath But I will post the etching on here soon.... Cheers to you and yours !
neo26 wrote (3 months ago)
thanx so much 4 the cheers x
neo26 wrote (3 months ago)
Hey u, thanx 4 adding me : )
Dudemonyo wrote (3 months ago)
Hahaha, I have spies everywhere. Thanks for the cheers!!!!!!
Fuzzy wrote (3 months ago)
Thank you for all your kind words and cheers but most of all thank you for what you said on my eagle in flight, I've always wanted to do that but never could find the inspiration until that moment, now I wish it was done in something I could manipulate the tools more, oh well.
The_Pirate_King wrote (3 months ago)
Hey, thanks for all the comments and cheers! :)
katski wrote (3 months ago)
Thnx for all the cheers and kind comments J :) xox
StGeorgeOfEngland wrote (3 months ago)
Hello SG, Chicken here. If it looks good as a thumbnail then why shatter the illusion? There it will stay. I did not know that the deleted pics still left a thumbnail, grrrr.... All I was doing was staring at mt tea mug which has a Van Gogh style sunflower design. I just decided to doodle it in Fu. No idea how the tools work. All I get is bold colours when I really want something softer or more opaque. Well I do have people that I can ask and maybe, just MAYBE I will complete the draw and publish. Until then, BWARK BWARK!
gerbear wrote (3 months ago)
Hey thanks for the info!!! I saw a video on the new wacom on their website. My son told me about it and made me watch the video. Yes, the future of art is finally here!!!! An artist can now hold the pad just like a real sketchbook and make digital art. Very exciting. It is outrageously expensive tho, like $2500 or $1400 (i forgot) American dollars. Oh well, maybe the price will drop. I will look into the teacher discount. I get one at the bookstores here. I love the primary age group. Very cute and like lil sponges!!
The_Pirate_King wrote (3 months ago)
Hi! I noticed your name, and I was wondering, does it have anything to do with the jazz musician Charles Mingus?
I did a report on him for a music appreciation class, and have been a bit of a fan ever since...
Either way, you've got a lot of talent!
gerbear wrote (3 months ago)
****EDUCATION DISCOUNT***???????

hmmmmmmmmmm............ you might be brilliant!! I don't teach for a regular school system altho I do run a 5 day a week all day Summer Art Camp out of a local community center, I get about 200 kids thru my doors in the 9 weeks i teach. I teach adults drawing ...I will ck on the wacom site and see. Was your discount thru a store or the Wacom site? I will get a bigger pad, I'll just wait til I can afford one. I wonder if your being in OZ made a diff tho, I am in US. But great idea. Are you an art teacher too? What grades? My camp is 3rd-6th...ages 8-11.
BabsBlueEyes wrote (4 months ago)
TY on comment AND CHEERS on my Swamp. DID IT SCARE YA? lol
BabsBlueEyes wrote (4 months ago)
Thanks KM for your comments and cheers. I appreciate them muchly. :)
BabsBlueEyes wrote (4 months ago)
I too love the hot colors, like Gaugin.:)
theSAPINator wrote (4 months ago)
Thanks for the compliment...she's also the oneriest kid that ever lived. She can be the sweetest and the meanest all in one day!!!
theSAPINator wrote (4 months ago)
Thank you so much for such a kind compliment...I did work so hard, but it was such a labor of love....I love roses so...and this was truly a challenge for me! Thanks again!
BabsBlueEyes wrote (4 months ago)
You are welcome ... thanks for the ones you left for me. :))))
kutedymples wrote (4 months ago)
Thank you for the cheers! :-)
Dudemonyo wrote (4 months ago)
thanks for the cheers!!!!!!!
gerbear wrote (4 months ago)
Thanks king! It can be read two ways, one, as I am sad, which i am a lil bit but not much, or two, that I am joyful and feel as peaceful as that picture. I drew it to cheer me up, art generally does and it did. Thanks for the C& c's!
BabsBlueEyes wrote (4 months ago)
Thanks for you comments and cheers my dear friend. Hugs :))))
kiitty7 wrote (4 months ago)
thanks for the tip and comments :)
lazyeye07 wrote (4 months ago)
As i just sat down with my mug in hand, i saw your encouraging comment on : "windy unwind". Thanks for making my day begin with a smile!!! :) :) :)
Fuzzy wrote (4 months ago)
Your house draw would pass inspection by the prospective investor and thats all that matters. That is amazing and like I said, I've attempted on here but dang nabbit I can't do it on sketchfu.
gerbear wrote (4 months ago)
Thanks for the cheers!
Dudemonyo wrote (4 months ago)
you deserved them!
dogskull wrote (4 months ago)
Thank You so much for the kind commentary and the many cheers... :))))
BabsBlueEyes wrote (4 months ago)
Hi KM, Thanks for admiring my idea, Try to think outside the box. LOL...
Actually don't have to try. What does that say about me? NO DON'T ANSWER THAT. LOL
Dudemonyo wrote (4 months ago)
THANKS FOR THE CHEERS!!!
Menopaws wrote (4 months ago)
Hello, my friend! I did have a bit on the Graffiti draw but it was so slow loading yesterday that I got frustrated and deleted it! It was stupid, anyway ... a FU leaning over with his drawers dropped, mooning everyone (or, FUUing, if you will) ... something an adolescent graffiti punk would find amusing ;D
Fuzzy wrote (4 months ago)
Yes FG is an awesome place to be, 2draw sucks, can't stand how some people are so cruel on there. FG is where I drew the frog, was my first attempt on there, now I'm working on my African Grey, Scooby. I can't leave this place though, everyone is truly awesome here!
Marchinn wrote (4 months ago)
I don't think that I can agree on that one, though =)
BabsBlueEyes wrote (4 months ago)
LOL Yeh some people say it that way... It is "FAST HORSES AND BEAUTIFUL WOMEN."
Marchinn wrote (4 months ago)
You deserve an award for your commenting-talents! :)
shelly39 wrote (4 months ago)
Thanks for your warm welcome. X
Fuzzy wrote (4 months ago)
Hmmmm this is so strange because I remember seeing your comment about the chardy and quiet? Ok I'm blonde maybe I saw it somewhere else haha.
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fexii wrote (4 months ago)
Thanks for the cheers, I'm glad you like my drawings!
Dudemonyo wrote (4 months ago)
Thanks for all the cheers!!
Dudemonyo wrote (4 months ago)
Thanks for the cheers!
MissA_sketches wrote (4 months ago)
Thanks so much for the cheers & kind comments!

Keep the colors flowin'!

Miss A.
lisamm wrote (4 months ago)
Hi kingmingus!! i noticed a comment that you left on gmx911's pic of the sad puppy. gmx911 is my daughter. as you see on the pic at the bottom it says rest in peace lisa kalapach.4/12/08 ............ god this is just gutwrecnhing. she drew that for her friend that passed away. lisa, god rest her soul, was only 21 and going through a rough time in her life but was determined to make it better. she has a 9 month old son that is just precious and now is without a mommie and naturally the dad is god knows where. she and her baby spent alot of time here at my house with my daughter and i and we are just DEVISTATED. she was staying at the local womens center with her baby and they found her in her room. from what we understand it was an accidental overdose and she passed away in her sleep. we will be going to services today or tomorrow for her and i am sick on my stomach just thinking about it. what a tragedy for a young life to be lost and a baby left behind. god, i should stop now, has been a rough few days and the next few are going to be just as bad if not worse. i just felt i had to give you an explanation of that pic my daughter drew. so so sad....however, thank you for your kind words. ;D hugs ....lisamm
StGeorgeOfEngland wrote (4 months ago)
WOW! Go you with your comment on Torchies drawing. I read what some people write in 2draw and think that it's not a place for most decent people to be. Sure there are some great artists there but they do not encourage the learning artists at all. I love this site. Its friendly and its a place where we can all have a laugh. How else would crazy Georgie manage to post anything? Hehe. LONG LIVE THE FU.
emigre wrote (4 months ago)
awww merci Jay for your always nice comments :)x
xBanditx wrote (5 months ago)
thanks for the comment....yup, cheap seats - that's me....probably snuck in anyhow (more likely) :)
Skiesblue wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for the comment and the tips, I'll try that. It's probably my computer, it keeps 'crashing' ie the pen won't draw so maybe I'll try again later.
theSAPINator wrote (5 months ago)
Thank you so much for the wonderful compliment on my "kincade" :). I did work on that for a few days; several hours each day...a labor of love though..and I'm very proud of the final result. I might have gone a bit overboard on the details, but i'm just a detail kinda person, i guess!! ;) Thanks again for the compliment!
BabsBlueEyes wrote (5 months ago)
Hi Mingus, Thanks for your cheers on Special Event Dressing. Your attention to my draws are important to me. I appreciate you.
TheArtist wrote (5 months ago)
I can not run Coral Reef, sometimes it is the lag, sometimes it just won't finish......sorry.
dogskull wrote (5 months ago)
Hi kingmingus..., I just wanted to let you know that I'm having a very hard time leaving comments because of the lag and page errors that seem to be plaguing this site as of late... You've got great stuff and love commenting your work so please just keep that in mind when you just see cheers...lol :))) Hope your good - looking forward to seeing more of your drawings.. :)
larvice wrote (5 months ago)
Thank you for your comment! This site is really slow at publishing a pic so I just close it down and it doesn't make the thumbnail. It's rather disappointing. I hope they fix it soon because there are alot of people leaving because of it.
LATE wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks alot kmEL for the cheers & comments. You are so encouraging!! ;-) L8*
xBanditx wrote (5 months ago)
thanks much for the cheers 'n comments! :)
Dudemonyo wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for the cheers!!!!
Marchinn wrote (5 months ago)
Both my parents are teachers actually ^^ No suprise there I guess. And there's not way for the teachers to spoil my computer games anymore since I stopped playing a while back. Nowadays I'm just focusing on friends/art/music and school :)

Your daughter sounds just like my parents, and I suppose she may have gotten that side from you? =)
Anyway, you know that I'm glad that you like my drawings, and don't worry, I don't plan on stopping anytime soon. Don't know if I'm ever going to get serious with the drawing though, but we'll see ^^
Marchinn wrote (5 months ago)
Oh, and thank you for the comment and the cheers OF COURSE! How stupid of me to miss that part >.<

(And I can't stop getting annoyed of all the typos and stuff I make after I have made them.. when rereading my message O.o... nnnhhyaaah!!)
Marchinn wrote (5 months ago)
Hey, what do you expect of me? You thought that I got the idea from a book? XD Hah, a bit laughable when you think about it, since I'm almost 16, and most people my age don't read quite alot of books ^^

So actually, the idea is from a computer-game (duh >.<), but I do have to admit that still.. though, I could have come from a book, at the moment I'm reading 3 books xD I'm in the middle of 'em all O.o

The thought itself was funny though, since most teenagers gets fed up with the books from school and tend to avoid them on their free time :P
BabsBlueEyes wrote (5 months ago)
I am glad you are staying. I am not good enough either. Gerry told ne they want realism and she just does not want to work that hard. This is relaxation for her. Have not heard a peep from Christine since Meno made her get-away. We will just hang in I guess. Hugs
Cherry wrote (5 months ago)
thanks for the cheers and the comment :]
kingmingus wrote (5 months ago)
i dont draw anywhere else....i have an extremely busy shedule Monday to Friday so i dont get much time to draw. i have though been slowly adding some stuff to my underwater scene. Not going anywhere....not god enough for those other sites...way too professional and serious for me
BabsBlueEyes wrote (5 months ago)
Hi KM, I have not seen any new draws lately. Have you made the exodus too. I am going. I think some of the ones who left come back to support thier friends. I believe you may be one. I am signed on at FG and 2draw. Have been for 3 weeks. Have done nothing at either. I will choose FG. Thanks for your friendship and support. The Blue Fu. Hugs and Kisses
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robotabob wrote (5 months ago)
greetings kingmingus! thanks for the nice comments on my bird! i actually didn't realize it had "published". i thought i lost it. i'm trying to get the hang of this, but i haven't figured it out yet! @_@

xBanditx wrote (5 months ago)
thanky fer th' cheers, ma'am! :)
BabsBlueEyes wrote (5 months ago)
Hello KM...Are you still here? Not heard from you. So many gone, I know about. Meno went yesterday, as I am sure you know.
tandc10 wrote (5 months ago)
hi so how was your day!!!!
jp wrote (5 months ago)
Ah yes the right to bare arms!:) Hi KM, that's so funny - when computers were new and my mother was working as a civilian for the army, she forgot her password (which was a really big thing to undo back then (no email to send hints to)) and after the expert was called in, etc., it did turn out that she had used her very own name as pass which of course was more than a little embarrassing, what with everyone from the G4 to the Generals snickering at her. Or did she use MY name? hmmm. Gosh, that was an awfully long time ago. And NOW lets talk about who goes on longer when the "floodgates" are open. I think this is why I have such a reluctance to write to people - once I begin typing.... Now here is what you do - Pick out a gorgeous flower, place it in a vase in a well (but not directly) lit, corner of Wikipedia, describe its characteristics, name it a "Kingmingus," and voila! the new origin of your name. (It DOES sound like something you might find out there in the "outback." ) No, have a good day, stick to the great motorcycle story, and just know that I'm still laughing that you thought I could tell you were a teacher somehow, sans googling!
Xina54 wrote (5 months ago)
You can check if you've already voted by clicking on the original underneath the one you left a message on - BUT I've done this to allow another round of votes on the ones with the most votes so far - so you are free to vote again if you like . . . I 'm just hoping to get them all on the front page so more FUfolks see them and vote this week. Some people drew theirs on a new page so I don't have a link to their entry - If you help me find them I will be forever grateful!
BabsBlueEyes wrote (5 months ago)
Hey my friend, yes a Troller is roaming. LOL I appreciate your desire to bare arms on my behalf. Poor child has a boring life, to spend good time on the computer messaging me. :D Thanks for your comment on my Golden day. What you, and my other friend say, is what matters. HUGS
jp wrote (5 months ago)
Cool! No it doesn't show at all....I "googled" you - because I was wondering about your user name km, if it is a kind of orchid or something - :-)
jp wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for the cheers & kind words, KM...you are a teacher, right? What do you teach? & to whom?
LATE wrote (5 months ago)
Always my kind supporter! Thanks kingmingEL ;-) L8*
dogskull wrote (5 months ago)
Hi kingmingus, thank you for the cheers and comments on my Templar Knight pic ... :) It's always greatly appreciated.. I also wanted to take the take the time to thank you for all the other times that you have left C&C's on my work... I'm very glad you like my gallery .. ;)))
Torchie wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for the nice comment and cheers... Talk about Grrr, I'm really raking up those undeletable "deleted" drawings now.
Dudemonyo wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for the cheers!!!! I'm happy the thumbnail is working to!
Shari1969 wrote (5 months ago)
TY for your support, J! It's especially encouraging that someone who's seen the photo recognized it in my drawing, hehe! I do intend to give it another go, but just haven't had the time or patience to sit still long enough for it lately, and I know those color changes have to do with Undo's and Undelete's.
BabsBlueEyes wrote (5 months ago)
Oh I guess your winter season is coming up. It is not severe is it?
The USA needs a break from cold and snow. Thanks for the cheers and especially comments. :)
LATE wrote (5 months ago)
Hi ya KingmingEL ;-) You have been cheering & encouraging my Cdn Screen "Late" Legends, along with leaving some great comments for me. Thanks so very much. ;-) L8*
BabsBlueEyes wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for the fishy cheers. They were fun.:)
BabsBlueEyes wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for coming back to correct it. Also again for adding!!!! HUGS
jp wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks KM, doing my best!
BabsBlueEyes wrote (5 months ago)
A world of make believe LOL Glad you like! Thanks for cheers and comment!
samy wrote (5 months ago)
Hiii! me too, I love them - true they are smart. I got it from here http://gilad.deviantart.com/art/Ocean-Stories-52014428
this photographer has some really fabulous works.

Happy Easter :)
Marchinn wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for the lovely comments and the cheers :) I don't think anyone can tame that dragonpig =)
TheArtist wrote (5 months ago)
Thank you for all your kind words! People like you make this site special!
NVJasmin wrote (5 months ago)
thank you for those tips !!!I need to practice :)I will do more tomorrow :)
Dudemonyo wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for cheers!!!
tbinto wrote (5 months ago)
Thank you for your kind comments. I've added you as a friend... with pleasure!
BabsBlueEyes wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for your meaningful comment on my Jungle draw. :) Cheers too of course!
Marchinn wrote (5 months ago)
Hah no problem, always a pleasure making other people laugh ^^
Mb101097 wrote (5 months ago)
Hi! In case your wondering why I'm suddenly saying hi to you.. It's because I'm going to pick someone to randomly say hi to! Congrats! I choose you! :D Bye! ^^

~Mb~
Dudemonyo wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for the cheers!!!!!
jp wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for asking and here is the flimsy explanation of the last drawing. Ahem...ol, just doodling. Out of doodling I found the little girl in upper left corner. I tried to draw her again in the middle there but she came out a little older. Not sure how much older but lets say she was three, so add 8, now she's 11.

And thanks so much for all your cheers & comments and most of all for your work!
jp wrote (5 months ago)
Just checked and I didn't have you as a friend either...thought I did...As Dear Abby used to say, there must be a streudel in sf's noodle or something. l
Menopaws wrote (5 months ago)
Hi! Have been meaning to add you as a friend ... hope that's ok; looking forward to viewing your gallery ... I like your style! And cheers to you, as well :D
TheArtist wrote (5 months ago)
Your comments are such a wonderful appreciated gift to me. Thank you for all of them. I look forward to your comments.
Dudemonyo wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for the cheers!
Marchinn wrote (5 months ago)
Haha, thanks for the comment :P I actually had to look that word "poignant" up :D Haha.. anyway, I've gotten into this kind of theme lately, and it's kind of fun to draw for some reason =) Going to do something colorful and happy soon ^^
smws wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for all the various cheers and especially the comments you've left on my sketches. It's great (and kind of addictive) to know that people are looking at them. :)
Marchinn wrote (5 months ago)
I've been told that I'm too fast to comment things before xD Anyway, looking forward to the finished version :P And yeah.. it's not not letting the lag get to you sometimes >.< I hate the lag!
aakyra wrote (5 months ago)
Hi! I finally got to come by and thank you! When I looked it has been nine days since you gave those cheers and kind words .... forgive me! I just got done viewing your work and oh my God! that wee kangaroo is toooooo precious for words! Thanks again for being a great friend... your encouragement, cheers and words are always noticed, always felt and always appreciated!
dogskull wrote (5 months ago)
Thank you so much for the nice comments and for alll the cheers.. It seems that my talents in art seem to revolve heavily in Science Fiction themes and tend to stray off other topics that I really should not ignore for to long, such as doing portraits... lol - my greatest flaw in art... Oh well .., I suppose that after I'm done getting this sci-fi bug I have I'll go for more traditional type drawings... :))) As always it's a pleasure to have you stop by and take a look - Your always welcomed and appreciated.... :)))
jp wrote (5 months ago)
lol, we share the same 1st & last initials.
jp wrote (5 months ago)
Hmmm, JayEl, is that from Superman? Thanks so much for your cheers, lovely comment and being so supportive in general!
flubbles wrote (5 months ago)
What smile ? lol I tink on that day if i remember correctly i was rather constipated its more of a grimace!
flubbles wrote (5 months ago)
Thanks for the cheers, I could have gone on forever adding details to that type writer until it became a mass of details lol i thought it was about time i stopped before i get to the point when i'll just be adding to one pic the rest of my time im at sketchfu :P I rarely look at my pics when ive finished them in fear that i'll spot things i want to change lol
BabsBlueEyes wrote (5 months ago)
You are so right. If that was morning...we would need to take cover. I am with tou GIVE ME COLOR AND LOTS OF IT!!! THANKS AS ALWAYS FOR YOUR SUPPORT
Fuzzy wrote (5 months ago)
Don't let the tools scare you OMG Rhi's tools in her programs let you go crazy, not that I need help there. I love them and used to use them often, but now I'm stuck here and in 2draw cuz I finally have motivation with everyone cheering me on.
BabsBlueEyes wrote (5 months ago)
Smiles))))) Thanks my friend. I worked hard on her.
theSAPINator wrote (5 months ago)
:O forgot about doing it that way!!! :)
flubbles wrote (5 months ago)
I set myself a challenge on purpose thats the only way i can improve, the lag does my nut in but i dont like giving in when ive already put alot of effert in , its like making sweet love you have to get the job done, and if it takes you all day then so be it lol jokes :P
theSAPINator wrote (5 months ago)
i think it's a she...it's kinda cream colored mostly..has a tid bit of pale blue but i don't think it's enough to make it male..and i've read that the females are the bitey ones!! but we have a cute relationship anyway...she whistles at me when i whistle at her and she comes to the edge of the cage real fast when i come and whistle to her...it's ok that she don't talk...she's cool and beautiful anyway!!!